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“This is a Reset, Not a Bear Market" with David Levenson

The Great Deleveraging of the Capital Tower of Babel Has Begun

Episode Summary:

In Episode 23, we welcomed David Levenson, a veteran of Wall Street fixed income trader, to discuss his thesis that what is going on right now is a reset, not a bear market. David articulates his view through the lenses of fixed income and how it allows him to see the complexities of global markets with more clarity. The discussion covers the current leverage concerns, the implications of deleveraging, and investment strategies that should work during this transition period. David shares his insights on the future path of interest rates, risk assets, and economic recovery, providing listeners with key indicators to navigate the market effectively.

Key Takeaways:

  • The dominance of fixed income is crucial in understanding market dynamics.

  • COVID-19 created a unique situation in capital markets, leading to unprecedented fiscal policies.

  • Leverage in the system is a significant concern, with $2 quadrillion of leverage on $625 trillion of GDP.

  • Deleveraging is necessary for market stability and future growth.

  • Investment strategies should focus on sectors with low dollar exposure during economic shifts.

  • The yield curve's shape is a key indicator of economic health and future interest rates.

  • Policy interference can significantly impact market movements and investor behavior.

  • Understanding the relationship between VXN and VIX can provide insights into market volatility.

  • The current market is experiencing a reset rather than a traditional bear market.

  • Future economic recovery will depend on managing leverage and interest rates effectively.

Notable Quotes:

  • "Everything is breaking down the rules."

  • "This is not even the appetizer."

  • "This is a reset, not a bear market."

This was a fun episode to record. David has a differentiated view that the market is just starting to pick up on recently. Worth watching - Enjoy!